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  • Writer's picturePatrick Norris

76. Pastors Jeff Jones & Dean Hawk – Leading in a Culture Gone Mad

Welcome to Episode #76 of the Red Ink Revival Leadership Podcast. Today’s conversation is with Pastors Jeff Jones and Dean Hawk as we talk through leading in a culture gone mad.

Our conversation takes us into the following:

  • Jeff & Dean’s faith stories and how they entered pastoral ministry.

  • Thinking through the unique challenges facing pastors and leaders today.

  • How ministry is different in our culture today than just ten years ago.

  • Cultural hot topics including deconstructionism, politics, racial tensions, and LGBTQ+.

  • Reconsidering the real job description of pastors and leaders.

  • Avoiding the pressures of fitting into the boxes of other people’s expectations of pastors and leaders.

  • What it means to “preach the gospel” without fueling the culture wars.

  • How to stay healthy emotionally without having to fix the cultural hot topics.

  • What it means to correct, rebuke, and love the people we lead.

  • Assessing our responsibility for people who choose to leave our leadership care.

  • How engaging your own story will help you lead from an emotional understanding.

  • How differentiation and boundaries are keys to healthy leadership.

  • Why empowerment and mobilization are necessary when the culture is bearing down on you.

If you have questions you would like addressed in a future episode, topics you would enjoy hearing, or just want to give us feedback, we would love to hear from you. Email us at

Jeff Jones is the Founding and Senior Pastor of Valley Family Church in Kalamazoo, MI ( Jeff has a demonstrated track record of working in church leadership and community outreach. He is skilled in Nonprofit Organizations, Theology, and Capital Campaigns Budgeting, with an emphasis on Christian Discipleship. He is dedicated to his wife, his family, the local community, and social services. He is a graduate of Spring Arbor University and Rhema Bible Training College, and has a master's degree in Biblical Studies from Liberty University.

Dean Hawk is the Founding and Senior Pastor of Rock Family Church in Colorado Springs, CO ( Dean has served in full-time ministry since 1981. Prior to starting the church in 2004, he served as a Youth and Associate Pastor in three different churches. Along with his current pastoral duties, Dean is also an adjunct professor at Charis Bible College in Woodland Park, CO. Dean’s leadership podcast and other resources for pastors can be found at

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Edited and produced by Evan (Emac) McAlister.

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